The Good, The Bad and the Ugly on Hubpages!

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By ValerieH

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The Good!

 Obviously Hubpages is a great place to write and it offers so much to individuals who want to express themselves, just look at how many people have joined Hubpages, the numbers are staggering. And the numbers get higher everyday. There is so much that Hubpages offers such as ways to make money and also a venue to be able to express your deepest darkest thoughts and to get great feedback from the wonderful people on here. This hub is mainly written for the new people at Hubpages, to kind of give them a heads up about the good and bad that they may encounter here.

First of all there is so much good on Hubpages that it is staggering. The good definitely out way the bad or I wouldn’t be involved with Hubpages. To look at my profile and the number of Hubs that I have written is really not to get my whole picture. I am involved with many different sites, under many different names and I research many different types of money making ideas, so when I came across Hubpages it was a breath of fresh air because there are many sites that are not that great as far as their reputation is concerned.

Alas, Hubpages has so much help for people who are new, from forums to the staff who are ever ready to help you out if you have a question. Even if you come across an Elite hubber, all it takes is to ask a question and they will do all they can to get you the answer. Believe me, I have done that and I was very pleased with the help I received and the extent that they went to help me out. The staff are great people and all it takes is to go to the help section and contact them. You definitely wont be sorry.

And of course the backbone of Hubpages is definitely the members. There are so many members that are more than happy to give you great feedback just by asking, just write a hub and more often than not, there is someone there giving you some feedback and 9 times out of 10, they have something nice to say. I have seen people’s comments on hubs that are mediocre; actually I have seen some pretty bad written hubs, and still the feedback from other hubbers is good, why is that? It’s because most people on Hubpages have good hearts and they want to encourage people to keep writing, because if they keep writing and feel good about what they write, their writing will only get better.

It is worth your while to get to know as many people as possible so that you can experience all they have to offer, because you can get so much great information on Hubpages, from recipes, to DIY articles, there is nothing like it. Period.

The Bad!

Of course wherever there is good there has to be bad, good and evil go hand in hand, so I have been told many, many times, and its true. Whenever there is a site that people are not only writing for pleasure but also writing to make money, then there are going to be some scammers and people who like to cheat; and I mean cheating in such a way that they take advantage of the goodness that are in others. They lie, they cheat, they will say whatever it takes to get you to like them, as they are very likable people and charismatic, oh boy they are full of charisma. They have to be or they are not going to accomplish what they want and that is to Make the money! And I don’t have anything against making money, but I am talking about doing it the wrong way which makes it wrong, by taking advantage of people’s emotions or weaknesses….maybe its just me, but I think that’s wrong and bad.

Who are these people that I refer to? Well they are just about everywhere on Hubpages and if you look really close, they are not hard to find. One of my hubber friends actually brought a lot of this to my attention in a correspondence one day and I thought that it would be helpful to others to be aware of wolves that dress themselves in sheep’s clothing or in Versace, whichever you prefer.

Okay the worst kind of wolves are the ones that start out very nice on Hubpages and who write some very articulate hubs and get quite a following and then they unknowingly reveal themselves to those who can see right through them. If you are an intuitive person then you will be able to read between the lines and if you are anything like me, you get this weird funny feeling when you read their hubs. Like they are not being honest about themselves or they sound “too good to be true”. Most of them will site bible versus and talk about what great things God has done for them, and they do this because they know that is a huge weakness in people. People have had horrible experiences in life and they turn to God for help, the wolf knows this and therefore brings God into the picture so that they are made to look like they understand, they can empathize with others.

Case in point there is a hubber that writes so many great hubs but then he writes one about how he is going to be bankrupt soon. He writes about having to sell everything he has, he puts pictures of his house for sale on his hub. He actually posts pictures of his jaguar for sale. To make matters even more slimy, he writes about his wife who has some incurable illness…he even has the audacity to ask people to pray for him, not just pray for him but to pray for him to get VIEWS ON HIS HUBS so that he can make money for his ah “situation”! I looked through his comments on that hub and it was amazing how many people bought this and responded in a positive way, why not, they have been suckered in by this guy good and deep that they think that he is godlike, geeze definitely the Jim Jones syndrome this guy has. There is actually over 400 comments on this hub alone!

Next thing you know people are posting that they will send thousands of people his way in order to get views, some people even advice him to set up a paypal account so people can donate money. I don’t know if that ever actually happened with the paypal account but I was astonished when I read it. I was fascinated at the plethora of suggestions on the comment section of that hub from caring, Christian people who actually care about this man. There were suggestions on how to make money, suggestions on how to get public assistance and on and on…..all for a man who has done nothing but brag about his wealth, his art, his cars and now he needs all this money by Monday or all of that will go away. He even writes about what happens to people when they run out of money, rats apparently come out of the woodwork and you run out of food, no duh!!!!

I do not feel sorry for this guy because I know what he was trying to do, a sincere person who is worried about his next meal and his ill wife would have no problem selling that Jaguar and Cadillac to make money without having to go onto Hubpages and beg for people to save his house and cars. God helps those who help themselves and if you live beyond your means then this may happen to you. If he was sincere in what was happening to him then I would be the first person to offer assistance but he said it himself on his hub, he is a marketing genius and he made his point with this one. He was only trying to get as much money out of his innocent followers, YUK!! Next thing you know nothing is ever said about his so called “bankruptcy” situation, and he is writing hubs about how many views his hubs generate. Wow, no kidding. My point here is be wary of people like this and definitely do not send them any money. I mean you can do whatever you want with your money and if you want to make people like this richer than that’s your business, but for those who cannot see the forest for the trees, please be aware of people like this and don’t let yourself get taken advantage of.

Another example of a wolf who pretends to be your friend are those that contact you through your email on Hubpages and ask you to “critique” a hub that they have written because they are not sure if it is up to par….I say baloney to this because these guys are so full of themselves and are constantly being told how good a writer they are that they have no inhibitions when it comes to their writing, but they are just trying to generate hub views, which is just another slimy marketing ploy. This has happened to me numerous times by a certain hubber and frankly it is just annoying and I can see right through it.

The Ugly!

So that is my two cents about the good and bad on hub pages and like I said, I’m just trying to make new hubbers aware of some ploys that some people use to take advantage of others. Most hubbers are not like this, they know that working hard and writing good articles are going to generate them the money they deserve without having to resort to shady activity. To all those honest hubbers out there, I salute you, to all those shady hubbers out there, there is probably nothing that I or anyone can say to change your ways. But if you can do what you do and sleep like a baby at night, and then get up in the morning, and look at yourself in the mirror, and like what you see, then that’s the ugly part. Peace.

Comments

geegee77 profile image

geegee77 Level 3 Commenter 17 months ago

Hello Valerie, this is a great hub and I know exactly what you are talking about, hmm I wonder who this is refering to?, I guess it could be one of many hubbers. Im sure if and when they read this they wont even know this is about them...or will they? :) ge

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 17 months ago

Someone tipped me off about this Hub a few minutes ago. I have no idea why you have such animosity toward me, since I don't think we have ever had any interaction.

At the start of this article you write that HubPages is "a venue to be able to express your deepest darkest thoughts." Your last Hub you defended a Hubber who had the "courage" to reveal the Hell she was going through, and you lambast other Hubbers for not having sufficient compassion and empathy for her story.

Now here you react to me sharing my personal, painful story (a year ago) by calling me a bad, evil, wrong, lying, cheating, scamming, worst kind of wolf, taking advantage of people. You go on to claim I had sinister motives for thanking God for my tremendous blessings in life, and that I am "slimy" for mentioned my wife is stricken with Parkinson Disease.

Yes, I asked for prayer, which you think must be a terrible thing to do. Countless people have asked me to pray for them. It never crossed my mind there could be anything wrong (or audacious) with such a request.

I suppose I did ask my followers if they could help me get more readers, though I can't claim credit for the idea—a friend recommended I write that, the same one who recommended HubPages to me to start with, that I might be able to eke out a humble subsistence writing here. Not because I think I am "Jim Jones."

I did have offers from Hubbers of small amounts of money, and free lodging, and to set up a Pay Pal account for those who enjoy my other articles. I did not accept any of it and I declined to set up a Pay Pal account.

I wrote that article in a moment of despair and distress. I was "courageously" expressing myself, as many others do.

When I recounted how undeservedly blessed I have been, you say I was bragging. I wrote: "this is not so you will weep for me. I am not deserving of any tears. I squandered so much money in the past ten years."

I was blessed and I squandered my blessings. It is my own fault. It never occurred to be this was anything to brag about. I wrote this article in a mood of embarrassment and shame, not as a braggart, or as a beggar, or as an "ugly ploy." Of course, I did not want to lose everything I had—who does?—but I did.

If I wasn't humbled before, by my fall to utter poverty, I surely am now by your words.

MartieCoetser profile image

MartieCoetser Level 8 Commenter 17 months ago

Valerie, I wish I’ve read hubs like this the moment I’ve arrived in cyberspace, then I would, perhaps, not have learnt a few lessons the hard way. "Bad and Ugly" in cyberspace AND real life, are s-m-o-o-t-h operators, and many are not only looking for money, but for FREE lodging, meals, and love in real life. They are human parasites. Unfortunately they are not always prevented in time to hurt and shock a person with a too warm and soft heart. I’ve got to emphasize your warning to newbies – it is very easy to be good (or bad) in cyberspace, but what you are in cyberspace is but only a tenth of what you really are in real life. Not one of us has only Good in us. All of us are a combination of good and bad, and only some of us are able to control our bad characteristics, such as anger, selfishness, possessiveness, jealousy, racism, sexism, addictions, bad moods, et cetera effectively. I guess the advice I want to add, is ‘Don’t be naive - just one error of judgment can change you into a victim.’

Thank you for this important hub to be read not only by newbies, but by all who have decided to explore the great benefits of the Internet, including social sites. Take good care of yourself!

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ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

geegee77 thanks for reading and your question was answered almost as fast as you asked it. Apparently they did know it was about them even if their name wasn't even mentioned throughout the hub. Hopefully a lesson will be learned here. Peace.

James hello and thanks for stopping by. Of course I do not have any animosity towards you James and you are right we havent had any interactions before, although I have read several of your hubs and not cared to comment.

You mentioned my last hub where I did defend a hubber that was being crucified by another Emperor on Hubpages and yes I came to her defense because he was being a bully and she didn't deserve that. It wasn't that the other hubber didn't have empathy for her story but that the other hubber was putting her on a mock trial that was humiliating.I do not apologize for that.

And in my defense I never called you any of those names but I only made it known that people who try to get money by pulling on the heart strings of others online is pretty cheesy and just plain wrong. Honestly would you want your daughter or son to send any virtual friend money just because they have a sob story?...if you are anykind of a parent then of course you warn them about that and that is what I was warning others about as well. My article was meant to bring awareness to wolves that are on the internet trying to make money in the most dispicable, deplorable way, by making people feel sorry for them so that they will send them money or pageviews or whatever. I think I would get a job at Walmart greeting people before I did something such as that. And if you see yourself in this article James then it is something that you have to work out for yourself. If you are honestly having the problems that you are having and your wife is truly ill then I do empathize with you and I hope only the best to you and your wife.

MartieCoetser profile image

MartieCoetser Level 8 Commenter 17 months ago

@ James A Watkins – I was not aware of your unfortunate circumstances, Sir - my comment is of no relevance to you or your situation. I wish you all of the best and pray that God gives you all the strength you need to walk on the surface of the awfully stormy waters you are in. You have all my empathy.

@ Valerie – This hub could have been a perfect guideline for newbies and others if it was not your personal opinion about a specific hubber who are, indeed, in one of the worse circumstances a person can find himself in. It is not for us, who do not know him in person, to even ‘subtlety’ wink in his direction when we warn newbies against the bad and the ugly in cyberspace. I don’t feel comfortable any longer in the comment section of this hub, and would like you to delete my comments asap. You know I admire your talents, but when you add discretion and empathy (with others) to all your wonderful attributes, you will be much-much more admirable. Power of love from me to you.

Petra Vlah profile image

Petra Vlah Level 3 Commenter 17 months ago

@ Martie,

I see nothing wrong with Valerie’s hub and the warning she is giving to new hubbers. We know who she is referring to and I am surprised to see you backing off and almost defending the one who came after you and did not hesitate to prove his writing and lawyering abilities to embarrass you, not to mention to put on trial all victims of abuse.

@ James,

I was the naïve one (at the infant age of 3 weeks old on HP) who contacted AEvans and asked her to put a link to your hub on the forum and mobilize other hubbers to help out in the spirit of Christmas. It is true that you did not accept my proposal to set up a Pay-Pal account, BUT it is equally true that you would never shy away from doing whatever it takes to bring traffic to your hubs; remember the “It is my birthday today”. We all have a birthday once a year, but it takes James to make a big deal out of it.

@ Valerie,

You have my Respect (capital R intended). Once again you proved to have the guts of saying it as it is and take on some of the “icons” of HP. Good for you! Maybe new hubbers should be also warned about the “benevolent” help they are being offered by some relentlessly self promoting individuals out to promote their services.

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lisadpreston Level 4 Commenter 17 months ago

This comment is for the writer of this hub, Valerie. If anyone reads it and applies it to themself or thinks it is about them, then it is YOUR ISSUE.

Valerie "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU" LOL! Is there a reward for "tipping people off?" I want to be a tipster too! I could use some extra cash! You might have added to The good, bad, and the ugly....POWERFUL. As was clearly demonstrated. You did a great job. I know you had only good intentions of trying to help people not to be victims. I have recently learned that no matter how much you try to protect, inform and educate, some people will never leave their comfort zone of victim and will always admire and idolize the charismatic. There is a scripture in the bible...Don't cast your pearls before the swine. In the example that you used in your hub, I find it to be a real slap in the face to those who are really struggling, walking in the cold, homeless and hungry, especially children. The example in your hub has no clue as to what poverty or suffering really is and if they did that to get money then all I can say is, I don't want to be in their shoes on judgement day.

I know you weren't talking about me, my conscience is clear. Thank you for caring and for the warnings. I hope people will take heed and recieve this hub in the spirit it was written in. Love and peace.

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Lady Guinevere Level 6 Commenter 17 months ago

I don't have any squabble but I can relate to the e-mails They are nice at first then they get really nasty. I, too, wished that I had read this when I first came onto hubpages.

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lisadpreston Level 4 Commenter 17 months ago

Forgot to tell you how much I enjoyed the video in this hub by Aaron Tippin, You got to stand for Something. I love this song and it fits this hub so well. I've listened to it now about 4 times. LOL. Excellent choice and thank you for standing up for the ones who cannot stand or wont stand for themselves. You are still my hero and I luv ya. I'm going to email you in a little while.

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

Lisa always good to see you and I agree with you about victims not wanting to leave their comfort zones and wanting to stay victims and even bowing down to others so that they dont make waves. I dont mind making waves. If anything I said was unwaranted then I would be in the wrong but in this case I dont think so. I too found the example of what poor people go through to be a slap in the face, at least I think that is what you were referring to. It was one of the things that inferiated me most about this particular hub and that is how it was explained to others what it feels like to be poor. Oh what a revelation you run out of food!! No kidding you run out of food and you run of everything else, so if their is a cadillac or a jaguar in the driveway then it makes no sense to keep it if you cant even afford insurance or gas to drive it. Sell the damn thing and get some food and take care of the ill wife. Anway, that is what I meant by the example because I found it to be insulting as well. This hubber acted as if he discovered poverty and believe me he didn't. Anway, thanks for your support as always. Peace to you friend.

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

Lady Guinevere thanks for reading and Im sorry that you have recieved nasty emails I know they are not fun, thanks for your support Peace.

Lisa thanks again for your comments, yes I love this song as well it has always been one of my favorites. The song came to me in my sleep actually when I was putting this hub together in my mind. LOl. Looking forward to reading your email, love ya too. Peace.

MartieCoetser profile image

MartieCoetser Level 8 Commenter 17 months ago

@ Petra Vla – I also saw nothing wrong in this well-written hub of Valerie – I actually added more dangers to be aware of. But then, after reading James’ comment as well as his hub, written 12 months ago, I put myself in his shoes and felt exactly the way a felt when I was recently accused of crimes I was not guilty of.

As I said, I admire Valerie – she doesn’t hesitate to point out the bad and the ugly. But because I don’t follow James, I am not ‘aware’ of any badness in him, and even if I was, I would not have judged him, neither on my own nor part of a team of judgers – for he is God’s business and not mine.

So this is me – I feel uncomfortable when people point fingers to others. BUT, I will point out the crimes... I hate falseness and any form of corruption... I will play the ball, but never the person. Because I could have been that person if I was born in his/her shoes.

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MartieCoetser Level 8 Commenter 17 months ago

ValerieH – just know that I do admire you. I don’t have your guts, and I know very well that this world, including HubPages, needs fire fighters like you and Petra and Liza.

Why I asked to be deleted? - It is merely my principle to never judge, but to try and understand the motives of a person’s behavior, and, when I realize I cannot help him, I will rather back-off and focus on something that cannot upset me. So yes, I don’t have your courage – in a war I will not be a soldier like you, but a nurse trying to comfort the injured. This is me, Valerie, and I know you will not condemn me for being me.

So may I ask you not to delete me, but to allow me to stay on as the nurse, ready to comfort anybody who gets hurt?

Only love and peace from me to you. Go on achieving your personal goals – We all have to do what we are born to do :) Oh, and forgive me because I did not notice that you were discreet and empathetic – I was blinded by sorrow – I always feel extremely sorry for people in adverse circumstances, no matter who/what they are.

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MartieCoetser Level 8 Commenter 17 months ago

ValerieH – I don’t disagree with you. I admire and respect you for what you are. I agree with your strong feelings about the issue – I feel exactly like you about the issue. I am, in fact, still angry at myself, for I was taken for a ride – that cost me a lot of money – by a con artists who pretended to be an agent of God in cyberspace. I just can’t pluck his feathers in public – I don’t even have the heart to pluck the feathers of a chicken.

Valerie, don’t let me stop you to do what you have to do. I don’t at all think you are the monster around here. On the contrary, and I have to repeat myself now, I admire and respect your guts. Fight your fights, my lady, just the way you are doing it. You are unique and special and a warrior per excellence. And allow me to fight my fights my way.

Haven’t you noticed we are fighting the same enemy: Fraud.

So there, Lady, let us go for the enemy and not for each other :)))

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

No worries Martie there have never been any harsh feelings between us. I have the same amount of respect for you as well. Peace

rose56 profile image

rose56 17 months ago

OMG we all need to stand by what we say don't we? or does that only apply to some people or situations. Thats true Valerie about the emperor thing you can stand up for some people but they don't appreciate anyway.

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

Rose56 thanks for reading and for your support. I think that some people appreciate you standing up for them but they just do not like confrontations or to get mixed up with anything that makes them uncomfortable. Thanks for commenting. Peace

Wayne Brown profile image

Wayne Brown Level 7 Commenter 17 months ago

You did good Valerie! For all the good thing here at HubPages, there are those who want to game the system or attempt to cheat someone financial. Unfortunately, there are a lot of good-hearted people here who do respond to problems. They really need to be on alert and you have helped that situation greatly with this hub. Thanks for a good write! WB

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

Wayne Brown thanks for the encouraging words they mean a lot to me. And I know I have pissed some people off with this hub and thats too bad but I also hope that it helps some. Peace to you.

Micky Dee profile image

Micky Dee Level 4 Commenter 17 months ago

This was my first hub to read of tours and I like it. I see nothing wrong. We should write our opinions often. Great job!

50 Caliber profile image

50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 17 months ago

Valerie, kudos for the examples of the good, bad and ugly, I found them to be accurate warnings as many scammers exist, that do any thing for a buck. I don't think your references were an attack on anyone.

I see one come to defend himself putting himself in the shoes of your example. He would have done better to just realize that it was a possible example that anyone might do.

This is my first read of your work and I look forward to more, God Bless you and yours with much peace and love, 50

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

Micky dee thanks for reading my hub and the hypocrisy from this hubber was just too much for me to bear. I couldnt take it. I appreciate you taking the time to read me. Peace.

50 Caliber thanks for your great feedback. Like I told Micky I couldnt take the arrogance of this hubber anymore and he just seems like a scammer that like you said certainly did recognize himself. I look forward to having you visit more often. Peace to you and yours as well.

ed77burns 17 months ago

nice hub...

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 17 months ago

Thanks ed77burns!

Stan Fletcher profile image

Stan Fletcher Level 1 Commenter 15 months ago

Great hub.....

ValerieH profile image

ValerieH Hub Author 15 months ago

Thanks Stan I appreciate the feedback. Peace to you.

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